NO KILL I ([info]glockgal) wrote,
@ 2009-02-24 08:39:00
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avatar: azn or pasty?
AVATAR: THE LAST AIRBENDER - LULZ
Man, I haven't done a Google search for 'aang-aint-white' in a long time, and yet it never fails to be full of fail.

I finally found a commenter who thinks racism is over (see comment 10). I feel like I should win a prize or something! I mean, I've joked about that whole "But we elected Obama! We're post-racism!" tripe, but I never thought I'd actually see it. Not only are we post-racial, but WW2 Japanese internment camps were fear-based (not racist!) and lynchings don't happen any more.

HAAHAHAH WHY ARE PEOPLE SO --. Anyway. I won't say what.

Even better, I also found the most confused reaction to Aang-Aint-White ever. I mean, is he for a diverse cast? Or is he against it? Or does he only approve of it if people agree with him and hate 'tangential liberals'? This is why Canadians get a bad rap - because they get angry about stuff, but then they flip-flop on points and therefore make NO POINT. The best part of this is that he's under the impression that the creator of [info]aang_aint_white is...oh where's the quote, it's so gold...ah:

Except the chick who started the "Aang ain't white" movement on Youtube is white. The vast majority of people who I've seen up in arms about this are white. I've seen extremely little asian interest in this at all; because really most asians don't give a fuck about Avatar. Its fan-rage, and most of the fans of Avatar are pasty white kids.
So...is he saying that only Asian people should be angry about this? Or just white people who AREN'T fans of the show? Or....?

AHAHAHAHAAHAHAH WHY ARE PEOPLE SO ---. Right. Not gonna say it.

Now I'm gonna Google 'Avatar whitewash' and see what I can find! Wheeee.....?
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-- Oh and to clarify, I've been using the royal 'We' in the past few Avatar-related posts. Not out of pretentiousness; I literally mean 'we' as in the core-group from AAW. It's truly been a group effort (massive stress on effort) and so I feel like I should be inclusive. :D Rah rah rah!

-- Over on [info]racebending, there's an interesting discussion on Inuit Culture in the Last Airbender Movie. I figure some of you might wanna join in! I plan to as well, once I get my thoughts formulated, hehe.

-- And later, more on the East West Players, their group members and their upcoming production!

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[info]hey_rupert
2009-02-24 04:52 pm UTC (link)
*blinks* Is she serious about the last sentence in her post?

She can't be.

Just no. >__

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[info]glockgal
2009-02-24 05:41 pm UTC (link)
Which person?? I get confused easily, haahah! D'you mean the person I quoted? Or one of the other posts?

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[info]hey_rupert
2009-02-24 07:13 pm UTC (link)
XDD

No wonder you got confused by that. Even I don't understand it now.

It was another post, something about a black tree...

Please ignore me, I've eaten a bucket of Haribo.

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[info]buttfacemakani
2009-02-24 06:24 pm UTC (link)
I am torn on this subject. As we saw in Episode 3-2, Aang is a spectacular dancer. That is an indication that he is not white.

xD

God these people on the tv.com site are freaking morons. Has anybody posted pics of the elders in the Air Bending Kingdom??? THEY ARE FREAKING ASIAN

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[info]vejiicakes
2009-02-24 06:48 pm UTC (link)
Has anybody posted pics of the elders in the Air Bending Kingdom??? THEY ARE FREAKING ASIAN

I dunno man, cultural ignorance is a powerful thing. I just talked to a classmate yesterday who said he saw the Earth Kingdom as African because it had a desert.

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[info]buttfacemakani
2009-02-24 07:13 pm UTC (link)
xDD only Africa has deserts, even including non Earth worlds lol.

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[info]caterfree10
2009-02-24 07:50 pm UTC (link)
Oh yeah, never mind the fact that the United States has a nice chunk of the country that is desert in the Southwest. Not to mention the Gobi desert in Asia. *Head/Desk OTP*

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[info]glockgal
2009-02-25 04:35 pm UTC (link)
NO ONE BELIEVES THE ART, APPARENTLY. I've encountered people who had no clue that anything in Avatar was Asian-based. It's as if these idiot Avatar 'fans' thought chopsticks and pagodas and martial arts and EVERYTHING was just 'oooh fantasy!!!' and not based on any real culture.

I JUST. I. *FLAPS ANGRILY*

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[info]caterfree10
2009-02-25 05:28 pm UTC (link)
WHAT?! There were people who thought that?!?! Did they never read a single interview? HELL, have they never taken a single history class that at least had China in it somewhere?! *RAAAAAAGE*

THE LOGIC. IT IS AWOL.

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[info]vejiicakes
2009-02-24 07:05 pm UTC (link)
Didn't you hear?? If someone doesn't SAY what ethnicity they are, then they're WHITE! Pasty white.

(To be fair, I suppose the body of comments most vocal about it are, "I am the whitest whitey who ever whited and even /I/-" etc. Which would probably leave an impression. But generally, unless everyone commenting on this does so in youtube form, I just assume a cross-spectrum of ethnicities.)

But I just read through the entire xanga post. I still can't figure out WHAT RPG's point is. It's like.. s/he gave us a basic thesis ("People complaining about the Avatar cast = nothing but NERD RAGE") and then spends the rest of the post not supporting that at all by going, "They have a point and the cast should reflect the cultural origins," which.. is it just me, or isn't 'nerd rage' by definition without point, and that people who aren't fans wouldn't care about? And instead throws out the same facetious rhetoric about what we SHOULD be protesting (Shyamalan makes bad decisions and movies, Jesse McCartney LOL) that manage to be ultimately simplistic and unchallenging to anyone who doesn't want to entertain the idea that discriminatory actions took place.

Oh Jesus, now I'm on the TV forums..

Sokka and Katara are pretty clearly a slight bit darker than Aang, Zuko or Toph. Do I think these white kids can pull Katara and Sokka off? Absolutely, since other members of the water-tribe were very white, and it was just randomn coincidence that they were so much tanner in the show.

RANDOM COINCIDENCE. RANDOM COINCIDENCE. IF PEOPLE OF A DARK SKINNED RACE HAVE VARYING DEGREES OF PIGMENTATION, THEN IT'S THE WORK OF ARBITRARY TANS.

Edited at 2009-02-24 07:15 pm UTC

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[info]glockgal
2009-02-25 04:41 pm UTC (link)
If someone doesn't SAY what ethnicity they are, then they're WHITE! Pasty white.

Well yeah! Heck, that argument goes both ways - I mean, Aang never actually says "well, my fantasy culture is partly based on Tibetan traditions" so therefore he is actually white. Pasty white. OMG I FOUND A NEW MANTRA. EVERYTHING IS PASTY WHITE, UNLESS CLEARLY STATED OTHERWISE. \o/

I think RPG just wants everyone to agree with it. So basically, this is what I've summed up:

-- Grrrrr this is a cartoon! LOLOL AT POLITICALLY CORRECT PERSON
-- However they are partly right
-- But not quite right because they're not all EDGY and BADASS like me when they say it
-- And they'll never be as cool as me when I state the exact same opinion, because they all got angry over an Asian Superman. Yeah.
-- So therefore, I'm right, and they're sorta right, but not right because they hate Asian Superman
-- Also, no Asians care about Avatar, only whitey is angry about racism (which somehow makes it less of an issue, if only whitey is angry about racsim)
-- Finally, the person who started the AAW is a YouTuber. TRU FAX.

IF PEOPLE OF A DARK SKINNED RACE HAVE VARYING DEGREES OF PIGMENTATION, THEN IT'S THE WORK OF ARBITRARY TANS.

SRSLY NO WAI I THOUGHT WE WERE ALL ONE COLOUR AND ALSO HAD TO HAVE "NOT WHITE" STAMPED ON OUR HEADS BEFORE SOMEONE COULD ACKNOWLEDGE ME AS A POC. DAMN THIS "NOT WHITE" STAMP. If I could just rub it off, then everyone would just think I was a white person with a hella tan!

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[info]lizamanynames
2009-02-24 07:25 pm UTC (link)
But the real kick in the head, the proof that the Tangencyites themselves are so full of shit on this issue, that they're a gang of pathetic hypocrites, is the fact that they are protesting about this, while they were laughing at and insulting people who were upset at the suggestion a while back that the next Superman movie would cast an Asian as the Man of Steel. And they were practically pissing their pants with joy at the idea of a black man becoming the next Doctor Who.

Oh yes, because casting a black guy as the next incarnation of soemone who CHANGES HIS ENTIRE PHYSICAL STRUCTURE (which, BTW, CANONICALlY can include changes to skin colour - Y HELO THER, Rememberance of the Daleks!) is TOTALLY THE SAME THING as casting a caucasian as an OBVIOUSLY ASIAN character from an OBVIOUSLY ASIAN culture. Thus HI THERE I AM A HYPOCRITE. *headdesk* *headdesk* *headdesk*

Not to mention the question of how the hell does he/she/h know these are the same people? Did h keep track? I mean I never even heard about the Asian Superman thing, but I think it could be pretty cool. I mean he's Kryptonian, right? And unlike the nations in Avatar, from what we've seen of Krypton, there's no analogue to any earth culture, so they could be any colour, as long as they could pass for human, because otherwise the Clark Kent thing doesn't work. And because he's adopted, John and Martha Kent can be any damn race too, as long as it's realistic for them to be living in Kansas. And in fact if they're white and Clark's not, it's a chance to explore the whole "adopted" part of Superman's identity, because people are going to be going "those are your PARENTS? No, what about your REAL parents?" I like this idea. This is very cool.

BUT HEY, NO FAIR ME USING EARTH LOGIC, RIGHT? IT'S STILL TOTALLY THE SAME THING, AND SO I AM A RACIST, YOU BETCHA.

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[info]vejiicakes
2009-02-25 10:49 am UTC (link)
In fact, we sorta DID have an Asian (well, happa) Superman for a while! XD (I mean, most people would've picked up on THAT about about as soon as they would've picked up on Smallville's Lana Lang being of half Asian descent as well, but still.)

[/tangencyitis, apparently]

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[info]lizamanynames
2009-02-25 08:10 pm UTC (link)
I had no idea Dean Cain was part Japanese! And it didn't stop him from being an awesome superman at all. Fancy that! XD

I never understood the fooferaw over Lana being half Asian either... I mean, once she wasn't a redhead, they'd already broken with he comics, so who cares?

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[info]glockgal
2009-02-25 11:56 pm UTC (link)
how the hell does he/she/h know these are the same people? Did h keep track?

I'm so very sure that h saw someone mention it in some obscure message board and that was the entirety of h's evidence that ALL PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT AANG AINT WHITE FEEL THE EXACT SAME WAY. Or something? It's the internet, LOL. It's such a ridiculous claim made only to make itself feel like The Most Sane Person on Teh Nets, oh maaaaannnnnn.

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My New Mantra:
[info]lizamanynames
2009-02-26 07:15 pm UTC (link)
"Forget it, Jake. It's the internet."

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[info]tomscribble
2009-02-24 09:12 pm UTC (link)
Guh... people are so, because!

>.

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[info]glockgal
2009-02-25 11:56 pm UTC (link)
Because, yes!!!!

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[info]caterfree10
2009-02-25 04:44 am UTC (link)
That guy on Xanga just pisses me off to no end. I can't even form a proper argument against him at this time. *facepalm* Ya know what? I'm not even gonna bother or else I'm liable to go off on him.

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[info]glockgal
2009-02-25 11:57 pm UTC (link)
AHAHAAH honey, the reason you can't make an argument against him is because you actually make sense and he does not AT ALL. That other fella in the comments was responding quite reasonably and with good points and the only thing RPG can say is "AHAHA you're some other person! La la la, oh you're so boring because you make sense. I hate people who make sense, la la la".

Like...WOT.

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[info]caterfree10
2009-02-26 03:13 am UTC (link)
Lol, so very true! I'm still trying to figure out where the heck he's getting all of his points, tbh. It's like, he's so busy pulling ideas out of his butt, he doesn't bother to see if they follow, thus, he contradicts himself so much, any points he's trying to make are moot. Drives me absolutely crazy. *facepalm*

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[info]hex_16
2009-02-25 03:53 pm UTC (link)
I finally found a commenter who thinks racism is over (see comment 10). I feel like I should win a prize or something! I mean, I've joked about that whole "But we elected Obama! We're post-racism!" tripe, but I never thought I'd actually see it. Not only are we post-racial, but WW2 Japanese internment camps were fear-based (not racist!) and lynchings don't happen any more.

HAAHAHAH WHY ARE PEOPLE SO --. Anyway. I won't say what.

This is just my opinion, but that commenter is just ignorant of human nature. Human beings, for the most idiotic of reasons, will continue to balkanize and mistreat each other until the end of time, so long as they think it's in their best interests to do so. Human beings aren't perfect, and will continue to prove it. That said, the US has come a long way in rooting out government-sanctioned institutional racism. But it just annoys me that white liberals want to point the Obama election -- historic, but still one election, in the grand scheme of things -- and say, "See? We're not racist! (But those damn, dirty Republicans, on the other hand...)" It's like the election is being used as a giant fig leaf for underlying problems (real or perceived) regarding racism.

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[info]glockgal
2009-02-25 11:59 pm UTC (link)
Seriously dude - 'post-racial' has to be the lamest interpretation of the election, like EVER. I'm so astonished that so many people have no ability to see the VAST EXPANSE OF GREY AREA that lies between black and white. No pun intended, LOLS.

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[info]jennilee
2009-02-27 03:01 am UTC (link)
The vast majority of people who I've seen up in arms about this are white.

Well, I'm not white. But you know what sucks? When I talk to my equally non-white brothers about this they just passively respond with "what else is new" and "obviously, that's Hollywood for you". So you know what? I appreciate all the people who are up in arms about this because they not only recognize something is wrong here, but they want to do something about.

So my point is... just because this person is not seeing non-white people upset about this, well, that just makes it worse and it's incredibly privileged of that person not to see that. Because we've accepted our non-role in Hollywood. And that really fucking blows.

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[info]jennilee
2009-02-27 03:05 am UTC (link)
Oy. Please forgive the errors in that comment. My rage and grammar have an indirect relationship. :p

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