NO KILL I ([info]glockgal) wrote,
@ 2009-02-02 09:19:00
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Well jeez louise - Jesse McCartney out (of the movie, not the closet) and Dev Patel in to play Zuko the Fire Nation prince.

I want to be happy and sit back and celebrate a little. No, really I WANT to. It's generally not in my nature to have such constant and consistent outrage. I wanna be like "Oh wow, a (very bizarre sort of) concession; nothing more for me to do here, look! I can finally shut up and stop bothering 'colourblind' (non-flist) people with my outrage!"

Yeah. I'm not shutting up. I'm still outraged.

There are sooooo many reasons why and as usual, [info]jedifreac says it so much better than me:

Before you say, "No matter what we do, the fans will still complain, they are impossible to please" can I posit that it's REALLY hard for people to be pleased about flagrant discrimination? And that we probably shouldn't be?

Goddamn. The more I think about Jesse and his "scheduling conflict" the more pissed off I get at Paramount Pictures/Nickelodeon Films for pulling a fast one without acknowledging our protest.

Can you imagine - a TANNED Rathbone dressed all-fully Inuit next to an ACTUALLY BROWN Patel? I just. I. THE MIND BOGGLES. HOW DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE.

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Ironically, I finally did watch Slumdog Millionaire this weekend with the folks.


Slumdog Millionaire
No truly, I did enjoy it! It was filmed beautifully, I liked the characters and the way the story was told/progressed and the way it portrayed a certain reality of India - which is a major reason why I find it hard to watch much modern Bollywood flicks: they're usually all entertainment and zero substance.

It was a little surreal to watch it, especially because throughout the movie I kept remembering that it was a phenomenal success (in the non-East Asian world) and nominated for ten Oscars and all that. I kept wondering why? Why was it so successful? But I realized: the general plot tropes (brothers: one bad, one good, gangsters and The Girl) to be pretty standard movie-fare. This plot could be transplanted anywhere - New York, Cairo, London, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Moscow, Rio de Janeiro...story was not dependent on the colour of the cast.

Avatar casting aside - I feel that Slumdog Millionaire is what the fabled 'colourblind casting' would look like. A generic plot, supplanted in City-with-Slums-and-Criminal-Underground-and-Corrupt-Police (ie ANY CITY!!!) So it was good - it was refreshing to watch what is essentially a Hollywood-style film, with Indian actors.


And how does it tie in to Avatar casting?
a) Dev Patel, ahahha! Okay okay.
b) The Last Airbender plot is indeed mired heavily in Asian influences. In this case, the story IS racially dependent.
c) Slumdog clearly shows that all-non white casts can be beloved by white audiences!
d) Casting Dev Patel isn't a concession, it's a token.



Aw man. Does this mean we need to come up with new slogans? ;D


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[info]heather11483
2009-02-02 05:25 pm UTC (link)
Dev Patel as Zuko instead?

UPGRADE.

Not that you should shut up, I agree!

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[info]glockgal
2009-02-02 05:29 pm UTC (link)
I FULLY AGREE. It's still bizarre to me, but - for soooooo many reasons - he's such a better choice than Jesse McCartney, heh heh.

*smoochies!*

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(no subject) - [info]heather11483, 2009-02-02 06:00 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]rotae
2009-02-02 05:29 pm UTC (link)
You know, in all honesty, I wouldn't have minded if THIS had happened:



But yes. It's still not good enough. Especially him being FAIL FACE, I MEAN, COME ON?!

I just keep thinking what would have happened if these kids were meant to be African American instead of Asian American. Then they TOTALLY would have got away with this casting... [/sarcasm]. UGH.

Peace,
Rotae

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[info]glockgal
2009-02-02 05:33 pm UTC (link)
I KNOW! That's what Jedifreac mentioned in her LJ as well - if Hollywood is so obsessed with riding on the Slumdog gravy train, why not get Dev Patel and Freida Pinto to play Sokka and Katara?

Oh right, because Jackson 'I need a tan!' Rathbone = $$$$$$KACHING$$$$$$$$


Man, I love that side-by-side comparison of Sokka and Dev, though. XD

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(no subject) - [info]rotae, 2009-02-02 05:40 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]glockgal, 2009-02-02 05:55 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]rotae, 2009-02-02 06:00 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]caterfree10, 2009-02-03 04:27 am UTC (Expand)

[info]akoyamiazaki
2009-02-02 05:40 pm UTC (link)
THE EARS!

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(no subject) - [info]rotae, 2009-02-02 05:47 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]akoyamiazaki, 2009-02-02 05:51 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]rotae, 2009-02-02 05:57 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]akoyamiazaki, 2009-02-02 08:03 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]rotae, 2009-02-03 01:01 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]akoyamiazaki, 2009-02-03 01:13 am UTC (Expand)

[info]dahemo
2009-02-03 04:00 am UTC (link)
THIS WOULD ACTUALLY BE REALLY AWESOME.

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[info]caterfree10
2009-02-03 04:25 am UTC (link)
DO FUCKING WANT~! 8DDDDD Srsly, I think the casting people are on drugs or something to NOT see this!

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[info]akoyamiazaki
2009-02-02 05:39 pm UTC (link)
...Good news? For Avatar?

OMG YEAH!!! Inside it feels like an entire stadium erupted in joy. Like when the Oilers were in the Stanlely Cup Playoffs a few years back. OMG YAY!

I'm so shocked!

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[info]glockgal
2009-02-02 05:43 pm UTC (link)
I'm still reeling over this curveball, man. Those studios...THE SNEAKY!!

<3 <3 <3!

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(no subject) - [info]akoyamiazaki, 2009-02-02 05:50 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]zinaya_y2kewel
2009-02-02 05:40 pm UTC (link)
I haven't seen Slumdog yet so I have no idea about actor talent here. Can Patel pull off Zuko?

On second thought, stupid question. The guy is replacing McCartney so it has to be an upgrade all around, right? I can has brown Sokka now?

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[info]glockgal
2009-02-02 05:48 pm UTC (link)
The guy is replacing McCartney so it has to be an upgrade all around, right?

HA. EXACTLY. I'm kinda laughing at how the studios are now scrambling over themselves to be like "OMG WAIT, THERE ARE GOOD ASIAN ACTORS THAT WHITE AUDIENCES LIKE?!? *kicks McCartney to the curb*" NOW SHUT UP, SCARY PROTESTER PEOPLE."

The IRONY that just last week the Casting Director was all: '"The best actors were cast, and that was it."' I GUESS NOT.

Man, my head is still spinning over this!

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(no subject) - [info]zinaya_y2kewel, 2009-02-02 05:58 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]glockgal, 2009-02-02 06:05 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]zinaya_y2kewel, 2009-02-02 06:35 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]red_eft, 2009-02-04 07:20 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]cathybites
2009-02-02 05:45 pm UTC (link)
YAY? YAY! One down, three to go. :D

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[info]glockgal
2009-02-02 05:48 pm UTC (link)
YES YES! This is precisely how I see it. HEEEEEE.

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[info]zedmeister
2009-02-02 05:48 pm UTC (link)
Ugh, they're totally going to play this as their get out of jail free card with all future accusations of racism.

And, as others have pointed out, way to have the only coloured actor play an (initially) bad guy. Fail.

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[info]glockgal
2009-02-02 05:50 pm UTC (link)
For real, man. The only way they can make this better is for Rathbone to ALSO have a 'scheduling conflict'. Call it whatever you want it, Paramount; I'm not gonna shut up about this!

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(no subject) - [info]zedmeister, 2009-02-02 06:00 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]caterfree10, 2009-02-03 04:28 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]tammylee, 2009-02-02 06:23 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]zinaya_y2kewel, 2009-02-02 06:38 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]jedifreac, 2009-02-03 12:29 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]akoyamiazaki, 2009-02-03 01:22 am UTC (Expand)

[info]tammylee
2009-02-02 06:23 pm UTC (link)
Wait what? Patel as Zuko?
How does that even make sense?
He seems much more like a Sokka to me.
I'll take what I can get but man, that is SUCH a random casting choice!

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[info]glockgal
2009-02-03 06:18 am UTC (link)
Isn't it bizarre? I mean, not really bizarre when we think purely in terms of MONEY MONEY WHO'LL MAKE PARAMOUNT MORE MONEY...but in every other respect? Completely WTF. Ohhhh man, those sneaky Hollywood types, think they can pull a fast one on us!

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[info]quietrevolution
2009-02-02 06:32 pm UTC (link)
So as you know I've been keeping up with this and so has Micah. We were going to the grocery store a couple days ago and a guy (Japanese, I'm guessing, since he looked Japanese and I live in Tokyo) bagging his groceries had the SAME EXACT SHAVED/PULLED BACK HAIRSTYLE AS SOKKA. It was uncanny! Micah then exclaimed "EVEN HE WOULD'VE MADE A BETTER SOKKA!!!!! AT LEAST HE'S ASIAN!!!!!" It was pretty hilarious, in kind of a sad way, but still, I felt much love for The Husband at his exclamation.

But yea, Dev Patel looks like much more of a Sokka than a Zuko, and it does feel pretty sneaky on behalf of the studios. It's like that Connect 4 commercial in which the sister beats the brother and is like I Win! and the brother is like Where?! and she's like Here! Diagonally! and he's like "Pretty sneaky, sis!" except this isn't as lol-worthy :(

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[info]glockgal
2009-02-03 06:19 am UTC (link)
AHAHAHAHAH YES. Yay for Micah! XD XD

Man, srsly, the avarice behind this casting choice is making me sick. I almost feel sorry for Jesse for being so clearly lame that even marketing could see they made a mistake.


....wait no. I don't feel bad at all. AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHH FAIL.

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[info]djinnj
2009-02-02 07:24 pm UTC (link)
So, apparently they've cast Suki as a POC, although I know nothing of Jessica Jade Andres, according to that same Variety article. Will there be a Toph in this film at all? I'm a little o.O that they're talking about Suki and not Toph. :(

ETA: ah, nevermind about Toph, she comes in later.

I'm still headdesking, however. Because, does this mean the entire Fire Nation, you know the conquering, pillaging, cultural imperialists will all be brown now?

Edited at 2009-02-02 08:03 pm UTC

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[info]lizamanynames
2009-02-02 08:12 pm UTC (link)
I'm still headdesking, however. Because, does this mean the entire Fire Nation, you know the conquering, pillaging, cultural imperialists will all be brown now?

FAIL. Just... FAIL. Talk about cooking pots and fires.....

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(no subject) - [info]glockgal, 2009-02-03 06:21 am UTC (Expand)

[info]bzzinglikeneon
2009-02-02 07:39 pm UTC (link)
Slumdog Millionaire was my favorite movie of 2008 by a large margin. You're totally right about the plot being transcendent -- And yeah, it's a bunch of standard movie fare, but it was all done so well. It's just a fantastic film, period.

I think you're right about the Avatar changes, too -- The studio is handling this so poorly. Backing down now would be a bad idea, when they're clearly hearing the fannish outrage but trying to do things halfway and on the sly.

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[info]glockgal
2009-02-03 06:25 am UTC (link)
It's totally done well! I love how they handled the flashback scenes and it gave me a crazy-happy thrill whenever it went all artsy with the film style because YAY. Popular film that's both stylistically edgy/unconventional AND uses an all-Indian cast AND a pile of amazing child actors?? It's a triple-whammy of Hollywood Wake-Up pills. XD

Also, I so wanted to steal lil!Latika away and keep her all for myself. *hee*

Thank you so much for the support, and you're so right man. Halfway and on the sly is exactly how they're doing it and that just isn't acceptable.

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[info]melisus
2009-02-02 07:43 pm UTC (link)
So they finally cast a brown guy and... it's as ZUKO?! He should be one of the Inuit characters, not pale pasty Zuko! (At least... I hope I'm thinking of the right character... the kid from the Fire Nation.)

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[info]glockgal
2009-02-03 06:27 am UTC (link)
Yup yup!!! In every way (other than the kaCHING way) it makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. Especially if they gleefully plan to have tan!Rathbone in the same movie, like. Don't the remember how absurd it was in the 30's to try and have yellowface/brownface in the same movie as ACTUAL PoC actors? SILLY HOLLYWOOD.

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[info]lizamanynames
2009-02-02 08:30 pm UTC (link)
God, my feelings are so MIXED over this. It's all "YAY no more Jessie McCarthy who sucks" "Boo to studios refusing to fess up." "Yay Dev Patel is AWESOME!" "Oh, but he'd make a WAY beter Sokka." "But wait how is casting an indian guy as an inuit better than casting a white guy?" "Well, at least the SKIN colour is right." "...hey, wait, did they just cast the only non-white lead as the BAD GUY???"

...I guess it comes down to: "one down, three to go."

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[info]glockgal
2009-02-03 06:28 am UTC (link)
Yes to all of this, man. Which is why the more I think about it and read people's responses - especially the people who're like "God, aren't you people EVER happy? They cast some form of Asian in the movie now!" - the more I feel ready to fight some more. *rolls up sleeves*

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[info]chiromancy
2009-02-02 09:58 pm UTC (link)
I feel like I'm supposed to be encouraged by this, but no, sorry, I'm still stuck at FAIL, YOU GUYS. ICKY RACIST FAIL OF EPIC PROPORTIONS THAT IS STILL EGREGIOUSLY VISIBLE DESPITE THIS CLUMSY DIVERSIONARY MANEUVER.

Commenter above nicely sums up my criticisms.

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[info]glockgal
2009-02-03 06:29 am UTC (link)
YES YES YES YES YES.

Also, your use of caps lock 'egregiously' in a sentence is...kind of a turn-on. Er. *ahem*

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[info]amanuensis1
2009-02-03 02:34 am UTC (link)
I don't think you should let go of the outrage, no. That the casting of all of the major characters failed to use actors of nonwhite race is not to be ameliorated by one change. It's just not.

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[info]glockgal
2009-02-03 07:49 pm UTC (link)
For real, babe - the more I think about this and the more I try to wrap my head around the way the studios work, it only gets me more riled up. As long as I get my arsenal of Why This Still Sucks all built up for the oncoming onslaught of "NOW can you shut up?" from people. I just love that I don't see/hear it on my own flist. <3 <3 <3

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[info]tallycola
2009-02-03 03:52 am UTC (link)
I have mixed feelings. Baby steps? Except, no, because it's tokenism. And now the only coloured character is the villain. Great.

BAH.

If I woke up tomorrow and Jackson Rathbone had dropped out and Patel was actually going to be Sokka, I'd be a lot happier, although I still have my heart set on Native American actors as the Water Tribe kids.

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[info]glockgal
2009-02-03 08:20 pm UTC (link)
It is looking more and more to be tokenism, I totally agree. And possibly the realization that Jesse McCartney won't pull in the big bucks like Dev. To them, it's like killing two birds with one stone? One big, wrong, inconsiderate, erroneous stone?

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[info]dahemo
2009-02-03 03:55 am UTC (link)
OMGOMGOMG. So this is far from perfect and I'm still mostly outraged, but the fact that Jesse McCartney is not playing Zuko? MAKES ME SO INCREDIBLY HAPPY.

So he had issues with his musical career, huh? Yeah, right. Whatever the circumstances, I do find it encouraging that they've apparently cast someone who is actually Asian (not the right kind of Asian, but it's progress, right?). It is a token, but it's a step in the right direction.

I really enjoyed Slumdog Millionaire, as well, although it is not a movie for the faint-hearted. But the fact that it's doing so well and nominated for Oscars is just more proof that hey! Americans can watch movies with subtitles and non-white people and ACTUALLY ENJOY THEM.

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[info]glockgal
2009-02-03 08:22 pm UTC (link)
Americans can watch movies with subtitles and non-white people and ACTUALLY ENJOY THEM.

Dude, exactly. And especially because The Last Airbender will not have subtitles, all the better!!!

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[info]vejiicakes
2009-02-03 07:40 am UTC (link)
WHAT A TWEEST. (I mean, I'm still calling shenanigans on this until I see it reported by additional sources, but if Variety is to be trusted..)

Well, shoot, I'm not happy with this. Firstly for EVERYTHING you mentioned. But also, I mean, for heaven's sake, just because we made a bid for actors of color doesn't mean "JUST PICK ONE, ANY ONE, FOR ANY PART!" I mean, if they want to Slumdog-bait the movie, throw Sokka on that hook! Dev Patel! Gangly, kinda goofy? SOUND LIKE ANYONE?

No Paramount, this is NOT your "get out of terribly discriminatory casting practices free" card. (Certainly not when we freaking know what your casting practices LOOK like.)

Though honestly, when I first heard that a Slumdog star was replacing McCartney, my initial thought was: the hot older brother. Seeing Patel listed was just like, "Um... the heck? Did.. I mean.. have you looked at the character sheets or.. the OTHER character sheets lately?"

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[info]glockgal
2009-02-03 08:45 pm UTC (link)
OMG I LOVE YOUR POST. Will have to be linking to its goodness off of mine! Why are you so much made of awesomeness??

It's becoming more and more clear that their casting isn't based in ANY way on the characters or who'll best fit the part, eh? It's like "Oh, marketing indicates that this dude is loved by teenaged girls? Cast him as...oh...let's say...Sokka. That'll rake in the CA$$$$$$H" Yeah. Real careful planning there, Paramount. I'm hope all those people who cried out "But they OBVIOUSLY cast the best actors for the roles! The moviemakers are wonderful, caring, sensitive folk!" are all eating their shoes now.

Aaah, I know they're not. But it's nice to dream. ;D

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(no subject) - [info]vejiicakes, 2009-02-04 08:00 am UTC (Expand)

[info]waywardradish
2009-02-03 09:11 am UTC (link)
okay I caught a couple of episodes of Avatar in passing just the other day and no joke, swear on me mammy (whoever the broad is), I am HOOKED. Newly minted fan! Am cobbling together a post on it like now...

<3

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[info]glockgal
2009-02-03 08:45 pm UTC (link)
Really?? That's AWESOME!! *joysquee* It is such an amazing series, man. I love it so!

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[info]the_glow_worm
2009-02-04 01:25 am UTC (link)
1) I love Dev Patel.
2) ...But he's totally wrong for Zuko. Besides the fact that he doesn't even look like him, have you seen his face recently? No way could he pull off the fantastic emo that is Zuko.
3) HOLY FUCK GOD SHYAMALAN IS GOING TO BE IROH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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[info]notrafficlights
2009-02-04 12:52 pm UTC (link)
Yes, yes, yes on d).

Also yes on the points re:Slumdog. Those are some of the problems I had with it. In terms of a Danny Boyle film I was completely thrown since, y'know, Danny Boyle films are fairly non-traditional. And SM is incredibly traditional and cliched (though executed okay) and very very contrived.

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