NO KILL I ([info]glockgal) wrote,
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AVATAR: THE LAST AIRBENDER
Be Pro-Active -
I debunk common defensive/dismissing/condescending/uninformed comments about The Last Airbender movie getting an all-white cast.

You had questions, I got answers.
How are Konietzko and DiMartino handling this? I mean, they respect Asian culture obviously.
All signs point to them not being happy at all with the casting. Which kinda makes me happy. It's sad when something so lovingly crafted by two obviously smart, savvy people is stripped to hell by the same corporate powers who initially gave them free rein in the animated series. Anyway.



And so what about M Night Shyamalan?
Perhaps not as much of a douchebag as originally thought. Chances are, he might have his hands tied as well due to Paramount Pictures insane compulsion to white-wash.

It makes me feel slightly better, given how passionate he was about the cultural aspect of the animated series. I mean, it really was a shock when I saw the cast, that it came from him, so. I can somewhat sympathize for the poor fool now.


WTF is Paramount Pictures's deal? What do they want?!
If anything, they might go the 'transplant the Avatar:TLA story/plot into a Western world' route. In which case, I would cease to care about this movie because it'll have absolutely nothing - nothing - to do with the original animation. If they want to Westernize everything about it - from setting, to mythology, to characters, then...well they're idiots, but. Meh.

Because I'm obsessing over this, I've accumulated some great links on the subject:

[info]rawles explains why this is offensive

LULZ WELL IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE A CULTURALLY, LINGUISTICALLY, AND SPIRITUALLY ASIAN CULTURE POPULATED ENTIRELY BY WHITE PEOPLE FLUENT IN CHINESE XD XD XD!
[info]vejiicakes has a great point of view that sums up many of my thoughts.
If the entire culture of the nations are broadly Asian or Inuit, shouldn't the burden of proof be on THEM to make a really good case for why on earth these people should be white? Why is the burden of proof on US to make the argument that the people in a broadly non-white culture should be, well, NON-WHITE?
and by 'THEM' and 'US', she's referring to the studios. Not you. Unless you DO think all-white casting is a-okay. :)

[info]tablesaw discusses the other arguments people may have for an all-white cast.
And when it comes to Western audiences interpreting the characters, there are people who see both the visual and the relative markings ("nobody is White/European"), people who see the visual markers ("Katara and Zuko aren't White/European . . . ) but not the relative markers (". . . but Aang is"), and people who see neither ("they're all White/European").
[info]jedifreac talks about ATLA cast requirements (very disturbing):
Honestly, we should have saw this coming. Remember when the casting sides came out and they read "Caucasian or other ethnicity"? I mean, the words "Other Ethnicity" speak for themselves. We are Others. Caucasian was already the stated preference months ago. We should have flipped out then--but I guess no one thought they would go so far as to make the principal cast (and, since the supporting cast is comprised of the characters' families) completely Caucasian. . Ooops.
[info]vagabondsal brings it all home
It says that even though Konietzko and DiMartino took pains to articulate themes of diversity and multiculturalism, all their work was for naught, because people don't really want to look at people who look like me. It says that every time somebody thinks of me as the other, they're right, because I am.
[info]misora proposes her own personal recast - DISCLAIMER: these are her personal choices, examples and ideas. Please don't persecute her for it just because you HAT0RZZ KREUK ZOMG SHE RUINED TEH CLEX.

[info]cereta goes meta with the rant.
And then, of course, if your "reason" for conceptualizing a part as something other than "white, straight male" is "well, I really wanted to see an action movie with a Latina lead," well, you're making things political. As if there's anything not political about a television or movie screen filled with almost exclusively white faces and male leads.
[info]ryosato makes great artistic points on Why Avatar characters don't always look Asian
I personally think that you have to take into account that all of Avatar is clearly made based on Asian cultures of all kinds, and was made out of a love of those cultures - even down to mimicking Japanese animation, Chinese gung fu (kung-fu), and everything down to the writing, outfits, and everything!
[info]avatar_fans' comment thread: Why Aang isn't white - complete with a beautiful photo of the most Aang-looking real-life child I've ever seen. It's amazing. Best part - THE CHILD IS A GIRL. AHAHA EMBER ISLAND PLAYERS, HEY-YOOOOOOOOO.

[info]ciderpress appeals with both emotion and cold hard facts:
During our early Christmas dinner this weekend, the oldest of the nephews, who is 13, brought up the subject of the incredibly white child actors that had been picked for the film version. The three of them were confused and disappointed but unable to articulate exactly why. Then the youngest, all of 7 years old, asked me whether this meant that he couldn't be Aang when he played Avatar with his friends from now on.
[info]bossymarmalade's gripe - if you think I'm 'hostile' and 'uppity', just read my sister's blog. Hooooo-wee, someone needs to put her in her place!
White people are not automatically the best actors for the parts. There's this assumption that white people can play anything (with a good enough tan or tape to make their eyes slanty or putty to make their noses hooked) and it should be okay. Whereas PoC...do not get this privilege.

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Some non-LJ blogs and links -

FACEBOOK!! Join up at Save the Avatar: The Last Airbender Movie from an All-White Cast - I hear this facebook thing is popular with the kids these days.

YOU TUBE!! If you don't care to read or look, why not listen to the issue and why it must change? This is a really amazing speech.

The Angry Black Woman - M Night! Say it Isn't So
I’m holding out one hope — that this is some kind of messed-up viral marketing effort, maybe using reverse psychology to get people all riled up about the film so they’ll blog about it, etc.
angry asian man - The White Cast of Avatar: The Last Airbender
Besides, it's not like Asians are lacking opportunities in Hollywood. It's not like we want those leading roles, right? There will always be work playing Chinese delivery boys, liquor store clerks, nail salon workers and Asian gangster thugs number 1 through 6.
Seeking Avalon - All the World's White, the Rest of Us Just Live in It
I hate the fact that two very white guys, went out of their way to create a non-white, non-Eurocentric fantasy world and apparently for quite a few people, they failed in that task.

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A GREAT Link Roundup-
Lemon Water - Avatar the Last Airbender's Friky Diky Cast
Don’t just take advantage of all the richness their cultures have, and shove the actual people in the background; that’s called cultural reappropiation.



- And of course [info]aang_aint_white - Letter writing might get us somewhere! Let your voice be heard!


On the personal side, thanks to everyone who's given me support in this. I know I've been focussing on the anger and rage and incompetence of studios as well as LJ comments, but. If it wasn't for the original outrage exhibited by comments to my initial post, I wouldn't have had the fuel to push this far into the issue and attempt a proactive stance.

- Thanks [info]akiko for the further external blog links!
- Thanks [info]star_maple for hunting down more names from Paramount!

As always, my flist is made of awesome. I don't know how you guys do it, but thank you!

Also - my 8 days meme is on hiatus. YEAH LOLZ I'M EMO.


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[info]22by7
2008-12-12 04:21 pm UTC (link)
yeah, i'm beginning to feel a little sorry for shyamalan. maybe he couldn't even walk away if he wanted to because of some contractual trap. idk.

you know one of the good things to have come of this hot mess? to be very self-centred for a moment, then - i'm probably going to end up watching this show religiously. (and probably avoiding the movie if it goes through with that cast.) heh.

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[info]glockgal
2008-12-12 07:09 pm UTC (link)
Ahahaha! That is definitely one good thing to come out from all of this!! It's such a good cartoon, innit. XD

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(no subject) - [info]22by7, 2008-12-12 07:38 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]waywardradish
2008-12-12 04:48 pm UTC (link)
Adore you.

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[info]glockgal
2008-12-12 07:09 pm UTC (link)
Right back atcha, babe. For real.

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[info]janegodzilla
2008-12-12 04:50 pm UTC (link)
...transplant the Avatar:TLA story/plot into a Western world...

WHAT. So...it wouldn't be Avatar anymore, basically. Good god, but this is appalling. Thank you so much for posting all of those letter-writing links and info, btw. I need to vent my outrage in a CONSTRUCTIVE way.

*sighs*

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[info]glockgal
2008-12-12 07:11 pm UTC (link)
So...it wouldn't be Avatar anymore, basically.

Exactly. And then in my mind it would just be another case of the Hellblazer comics becoming Constantine movie....in which case I wouldn't even care cause it's just not the same thing. Feh.

YES. OMG venting outrage in a letter is intensely cathartic I find. I'm loving it! XD

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[info]star_maple
2008-12-12 05:53 pm UTC (link)
Ooh! Good sluthing, Lori! Should I be writing to the studio head at Paramount as well? Or should I just stick to Frank Marshall and Kathleen Kennedy?

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[info]glockgal
2008-12-12 07:12 pm UTC (link)
OOOH!!! Why not to the studio head!! Do they have a name of some sort? I would totes love it if you did, because you're awesome.

Also, you'd be sooo proud that I managed to find those addresses out all my myself. Your Google-fu has rubbed off on me! XD

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(no subject) - [info]star_maple, 2008-12-12 07:38 pm UTC (Expand)
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[info]cathybites
2008-12-12 05:59 pm UTC (link)
I haven't commented yet BUT I wanted you to know that I have sent my letters of outrage over this. I don't even watch the show, but not only is this an important issue that needs to be addressed, it's important to YOU and YOU are important to me. <333

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[info]glockgal
2008-12-12 07:15 pm UTC (link)
*FLAILS*

Dude, I am sooooo happy to know you got my back. I wouldn't have it any other way, for true. Thank you SO MUCH!!! MY BOOO. OMG GONNA CRY NOW. NOT AT WORK. NOT AT WORK.

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[info]sparrowette
2008-12-12 06:08 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, you know what's funny, Paramount? There are people in the West who...aren't white. So your shit still won't fly after you rape canon.

I'm still disappointed in Shyamalan. Even if contracts disallow him from walking from the project, he should be doing something. Go to the press, tell the media (and the geeks) what Paramount is doing to their canon. Tell people that the white-washing of the entire universe is an affront to you and your children. Refuse to let them see it. Call them out on hiring an Indian-American director without telling them the plan to white-wash an Asian project, if that's the case, and if you are under contract to finish the project, tell people how it compounds the matter, that Paramount is willing to lock a PoC into this project. Don't just stand around saying it's out of your hands. You're a high profile director; we're a bunch of geeks on the internet--it's not out of our hands, how is it out of yours?

I'm still upset over how unnecessary this all is. Huge groups of both children and adults love the show. And they love it regardless of whether they see the characters as white or Asian or a mix of the two, they can relate to the characters regardless of skin color because they're fucking people, but somehow, Paramount thinks it has to Westernize it? NO, YOU DON'T, WE ALREADY LIKE IT THE WAY IT IS.

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[info]glockgal
2008-12-12 07:20 pm UTC (link)
You make a DAMN good point, bb. Does he think this will bring up his fallen!status in the film industry? By cow-towing to whatever idiotic tripe the execs spew out, he'll somehow win over movie-goers? It's truly, truly baffling and very sad.

And they love it regardless of whether they see the characters as white or Asian or a mix of the two, they can relate to the characters regardless of skin color because they're fucking people

I know, right? I mean, I wonder if such an uproar would have been had if the initial casting release was chock full of PoCs as any of Aang, Sokka, Katara and Zuko. Would people be like "ZOMG WTF WHY ARE THEY ALL COLOURED KIDS, I TOTES WON'T SEE THIS MOVIE NOW, GRRR" No, because people aren't IDIOTS. And I just wish Hollywood would bloody understand that, GYAH.

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[info]tomscribble
2008-12-12 06:18 pm UTC (link)
neee, don't apologise for the rage! It is good rage. I mean if you didn't get enraged about it, lots of people maybe wouldn't have even thought about it much or questioned it or anything.

*hugs*

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[info]glockgal
2008-12-12 07:20 pm UTC (link)
*leans against you* Thank you, boo. It feels really good to read this, it does! *MWAHHHHH*

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[info]notrafficlights
2008-12-12 07:37 pm UTC (link)
&YOU;

OMG I can't even believe we're having to have this kind of issue with this film. *facedesk*

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[info]glockgal
2008-12-12 08:38 pm UTC (link)
I know, right? I am STILL seeing people who are like "PROVE TO ME THAT THIS CHARACTER DOESN'T LOOK WHITE." and when people explain they're like "YOU JUST WANT ALL-ASIAN CAST AND THAT'S WROOOONGGGGG"

.....

I just. I can barely comprehend this mentality. I keep adding new and more idiotic 'arguments' to my last post because the stupid, Adora. IT NEVER STOPS. GHAD.

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[info]redheadsarehot
2008-12-12 07:44 pm UTC (link)
Ugh I can't believe they are doing that! Its the stupidest thing I've ever heard...."transplant the Avatar:TLA story/plot into Western world". Well if they want to do that why even use the avatar name? Just make a completely different movie. Stupid movie people.

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[info]glockgal
2008-12-12 08:41 pm UTC (link)
It's so true!!! If they transplant, then it just becomes another case of Hollywood turning canon material into lame-ass crap. In a way, I can almost stand that more than if they choose theblatant discrimination of have all-white cast in a canon Avatar setting, LOLS.

SO SAD THAT THESE WOULD BE MY ONLY TWO CHOICES. IT JUST AIN'T RIGHT!! *clings to you*

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[info]mawaridi
2008-12-12 10:12 pm UTC (link)
Hooray for your post! I have never seen any Avatar, so I'm not really sure what's going on, but your post has me outraged anyway. I will read these things and develop opinions on the issue!

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[info]glockgal
2008-12-12 11:27 pm UTC (link)
YAYES!!!! I'm REALLY glad to know that non-ATLA fans can still be as angry about this. Because it really is ANGERING. HEE.

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[info]tallycola
2008-12-12 10:22 pm UTC (link)
You've had excellent posts about this, thanks for them all. And you live in Vancouver too! I'm friending you! (But not in a stakery way!)

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[info]glockgal
2008-12-13 01:18 am UTC (link)
Yay , you are very welcome!! Yay for slacking off at work, ahahah.

How about that snow today, eh? XD

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[info]lisafeld
2008-12-13 12:01 am UTC (link)
Finals week, so I only just saw this whole series of posts (and I've only had 9 hours sleep in the last 80, so I'm not at my most eloquent). But I don't think you're overreacting at all.

Diversity is cumulative. The more viewers see people of other backgrounds, beliefs and abilities in a variety of roles, the more comfortable they are with such characters. There was a time when the legendary Bruce Lee couldn't get cast as the lead in Kung Fu because the producers thought American audiences wouldn't tune in to watch an Asian lead actor. There was a time when a young Whoopie Goldberg, tuning in to Star Trek for the first time, yelled, "Mommy, there's a black woman on television, and she ain't no maid!" We've got a long way to go, but shows like E.R., Alias, Lost and Heroes (not to mention the Harry Potter movies) prove that massive audiences will tune in to watch a mixed race cast, and celebrate characters regardless of skin color. Even if the Airbender producers argue that they want consistency within the groups, they could still cast each group as a different race or nationality; if anything, it would probably add to the worldbuilding.

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[info]glockgal
2008-12-13 01:22 am UTC (link)
I think this is exactly why I'm surprised at how many people are so resistant and argumentative with the angry uproar. It's a defensiveness that seems rooted not in the show's cultural diversity, but in some inherent, knee-jerk need to 'defend' white-washing.

I just don't get it, man. Why much they argue so MUCH against characters of colour? *leans against you*

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(no subject) - [info]lisafeld, 2008-12-13 05:56 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]tallycola, 2008-12-13 01:59 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]glockgal, 2008-12-13 03:35 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]lisafeld, 2008-12-13 05:51 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]sistermagpie, 2008-12-24 04:00 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]kath_ballantyne
2008-12-13 03:01 am UTC (link)
*g* I've written a letter but I have no idea when it will get there.
Aus post is sooooo slow this time of year

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[info]glockgal
2008-12-13 05:07 pm UTC (link)
Ahaha talk about probably the worst time, to do a letter campaign eh? Christmas cards and AVATAR ANGER. *hee*

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[info]miasmaiodine
2008-12-13 04:48 am UTC (link)
glockgal, you are awesome! even though i've never seen avatar, i am totally outraged myself and sick of the whitewashing in the industry, be it casting white actors for the sake of mainstream or making a movie in English when it's obviously supposed to be set in a foreign country. i remember last year when the cast of 21 was cast, that it was all whites, except for the stereotypical crazy asian klepto. it was outrageous.

thanks for all the links and updates! i'm so glad to be in the loop. *hugs*

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[info]glockgal
2008-12-13 05:07 pm UTC (link)
Thank you!! It's a loop I'm happy to be in on as well - usually I have such a bad record for doing good research/Google-ing online, ahaha. But this is really a wonderful spider-web of info and links, and I'm so grateful that people are paying attention. Wheee!

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[info]wemblee
2008-12-13 06:03 am UTC (link)
Thank you so much for speaking up about this. GAHHHHH. *tears out hair*

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[info]glockgal
2008-12-13 05:05 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for your comment!! It's really amazing how many people just want me to shut up. Apparently, race isn't a big deal and I'm getting uppity.

Of course, race isn't a big deal BECAUSE they were all cast as white actors. THE LOGIC SOME PEOPLE FOLLOW WHEN THEY TRY TO ARGUE. IT BAFFLES ME, BABY. GYAHHH.

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[info]raucousraven
2008-12-13 08:37 am UTC (link)
Oh gosh, thanks so much for this post. I was inarticulately trying to figure out exactly how to convey why I was so hurt and offended by the casting choices, and these links will really help get the words out of my head. Because in the meantime they are coming out like GRAAAAAAAAAH.

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[info]glockgal
2008-12-13 05:03 pm UTC (link)
I know - I'm really glad to see all the different points of views and arguments and reasoning regarding the wrongness of this casting choice. So much to read and agree with, it makes me happier to see it!

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[info]harbek
2008-12-13 12:38 pm UTC (link)
Randomly, you are awesome for caring so much about this, and maybe if I actually had any familiarity with Avatar, I would join you or care more, but, alas. I do totally agree though, and kudos and all that. Good luck.

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[info]glockgal
2008-12-13 05:01 pm UTC (link)
I'm just glad to bring awareness, man, so thank you! I've been seeing so much - SO MUCH - resistance towards even the concept that a show like Avatar should be cast multiculturally...it's really astonishing how vehemently people say those angry about this casting are getting 'uppity' about race. Yeah, I actually saw someone use the term 'uppity'.

*der*

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[info]vejiicakes
2008-12-13 01:28 pm UTC (link)
Sources on the first two items? Or are they just likely-looking suppositions? I'd like to think that either the original creators or the director have already responded to the fans--I know the creators especially are VERY aware (and interactive with!) the fanbase.

Unfortunately, unless I'm mistaken, I doubt they actually have any authoritative pull on this. Avatar's owned by Nickelodeon, no? I figure it's like Alan Moore--he ain't liked a damn thing they do with his characters/stories, but he just doesn't get a say in it by the time it hits a movie studio :( SHYAMALAN, on the other hand, I'm thinking ought to have some kind of say in this; that's assuming he'd even be unhappy with this whitewashing business.... I feel like if the push for casting is really coming from the studio, and it in any way violates any of his prime reasons for taking on the project, he should at least be able to walk away.

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[info]glockgal
2008-12-13 04:57 pm UTC (link)
sauce!

I'm really feeling bad for Konietzko and DiMartino about this, because it's easier for me to imagine that they are not happy about it, they just can't publically say anything otherwise for fear or Paramount/Nick retribution. Which makes it even more sad. :/

SHYAMALAN SHOULD TOTES WALK AWAY. And then, if it's no risk to being blacklisted in Hollywood, talk about how much he wanted a multcultural cast to like EW or something.

Why yes! I have completely reverted into a fantasy-world where all of this could possibly come true, la la laaaaaaa. XD

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[info]dahemo
2008-12-13 07:00 pm UTC (link)
You know what I've been thinking about this whole mess lately? The ONLY reason that they could possibly get away with this casting is because the show is animated. Because the animation somehow makes race ambiguous (though not really) and since it's ambiguous, why not make everyone white!

It frustrates me so much that in this context, whitewashing is still acceptable.

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[info]kyuuketsukirui
2008-12-16 06:33 pm UTC (link)
Oh, I'm sure they could do it just fine if it were live action originally. They'd just call it a remake. You know, like all those remakes of Japanese horror films that are now about white people. Including the one (was that the Grudge?) actually set in Japan, but with Sarah Michelle Gellar or something. Admittedly those cases have the language barrier as well, but I certainly would not put it past anyone to do the same for a source that is already in English.

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[info]akiko
2008-12-14 12:33 am UTC (link)
I found more :D Technorati = win. (What? No, I don't have a life... why do you ask?)

http://agualimon.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/avatar-white-cast-of-doom/ (with more link round-up, including an AWESOME bingo card.)

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[info]glockgal
2008-12-17 04:03 am UTC (link)
WOOHOO. That bingo card is like. PURE GOLD. XD

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[info]drakemobius
2008-12-14 07:28 am UTC (link)
this was fascinating, thank you.
I honestly hadn't ever considered how much whitewashing there was (outside of fantasy..).

LeGuin said "Don't notice, don't care. Whites of course have the privilege of not caring, of being "colorblind." Nobody else does."
And that was a bit close.

I also really enjoyed finally seeing an explanation for why racial segregation is so subtle in Manga and Anime! I think of Animes set in England, where they dress/act european but still look like/speak japanese, and I get confused...ahha.

Finally, I really hate the hairdo on the kid intending to play Zuko. But I hate all contrived 'styles', the latest ones not much more than the older ones..

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[info]glockgal
2008-12-18 04:35 am UTC (link)
That Le Guin quote has to be one of the best things I've heard in all of this. I read her essay on Slate and my heart just broke for her. God.

AHAHAHA YOUR ANGER AT CONTRIVED HIARSTYLES. IT WINS. XD XD XD

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[info]jedifreac
2008-12-16 10:38 pm UTC (link)
ooh! oooh! Link me, link me!

http://jedifreac.livejournal.com/765617.html


"Honestly, we should have saw this coming. Remember when the casting sides came out and they read "Caucasian or other ethnicity"? I mean, the words "Other Ethnicity" speak for themselves. We are Others. Caucasian was already the stated preference months ago. We should have flipped out then--but I guess no one thought they would go so far as to make the principal cast (and, since the supporting cast is comprised of the characters' families) completely Caucasian. . Ooops."


"You may ask: To accurately and sensitively depict Asian-inspired characters and cultures, shouldn't we be exhausting all options and painstakingly seeking for a actor of color before immediately defaulting to whiteness?

NO goddammit. Because to not allow white actors to play parts that would traditionally go to minority actors would be racist. And to not allow colored folk the opportunity to play parts that are based on or inspired by minority characters is like, so not racist at all. Get with the program, people."

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[info]glockgal
2008-12-18 04:35 am UTC (link)
You rock!

I feel like I keep saying this to you, but oh, it's true. XD Link totally added, thank you!

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[info]re_weird
2008-12-18 04:32 am UTC (link)
Thank you so much for the link round-up! It's great to read reactions by people who get it and whose responses won't fall on the Bingo card that's been going around. (Have you seen it? It's hilarious in a laughing-so-I-won't-rage kind of way)

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[info]glockgal
2008-12-18 04:37 am UTC (link)
You are very welcome!

I saw both the bingo cards and loved them soooo much! I put the link to those in a separate post...here! Man, really, everyone has such great points, I am so happy to see so many different people banded together on this. *MWAH*

Edited at 2008-12-18 04:39 am UTC

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(Anonymous)
2009-07-03 11:17 am UTC (link)
OK, I'm not going to be a bitch here, but Mike and Bryan are not exactly smart and savvy. They used fanart without permission to make a very crude sex teaser taunting Zutarians in the SDCC, where there were CHILDREN, btw. You can look it up on Youtube. People walked out on that day. That has nothing to do with the issue, but that just pisses me off.

Anyway, please know that I support you all the way.

We can do this, we can do this. -cheers-

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